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Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Dean » Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:14 pm

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This is Errol and his 4 wives. I am just wondering if anyone if familiar with this breed and could run their astute eye over my little family. I don't wish to show birds, but I'd like to breed these, if they are a reasonable example. Thanks.
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Kracka » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:00 pm

They look great to me!

all have white ear lobes
his comb looks good - little corals growing in the front to an even length - the point thing (can't remember terminology) should point straight out back, neither upwards or downwards (I don't have my standards book with me, so anyone can correct me if I say something wrong)
the girls combs might be a bit lumpy and misshapen in the fronts - the one at the back could be the best comb (but that's getting picky)
all appear to have slate grey legs? - that's good
all have dark eyes - that's good

the spotting/spangling - each feather should have a black dot on the end of it (round in shape) - the bigger the black dot the more it will overlap with the next feather, creating a darker over all look

the rooster could be a bit dark - his black is overlapping
but then its a balancing act - get them dark & you tend to get dots on the end of every tail/wing feather (desirable) and neck hackle (its a tiny dot & also desirable) - get them lighter (i.e. smaller dots) and you sometimes get a rooster with not much 'dotting' on their neck hackles etc
the spotting makes up about 60% of the points I think (or 55/100 for the rooster and 60/100 for the hens) - so the markings are very important

I can't get an idea on the body shape of the rooster - he's facing front on - I've had problems with my roosters being a bit scrawny and the like (frustrating)

but overall - I'd say very nice :D
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Dean » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:28 pm

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Errol was ablidging, he does like to pose. And one with a hen for comparison of size. Thanks so much for all the info, very helpful. If I knew on google where to hunt for this info, I wouldn't trouble anyone, but couldn't find anything. Thanks again heaps.

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He even crowed for you, because 'he' thinks he's marvellous!
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby buzzard » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:45 pm

Kracka wrote:.. - the point thing (can't remember terminology) ..

the point would be a better more dedescriptive term, but its called the 'leader' (goodness knows why it has this name since it follows the front of the comb :roll: )
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Kracka » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:52 pm

yep, he looks good
he is a bit dark & I tended to find darker parents bred darker (& darker) babies, so you'll need to pick & choose what babies you grow on - but I've never had a batch of babies that I wanted to keep everything of, so that's okay
with the tail, I was also having trouble with getting a clean white tail with only colour on the tip - I can see he's got a couple of feathers on the top that have black smudges on them - just something to note & watch for in the future generations

the hen in front has good markings - dots on the end of each feather

with his comb - I can't see - but you also need to watch out for side sprigs (not saying he's got them!) - that's where one of those 'coral growths' is pointing out sideways, or downwards, or you've got multiple leaders (the pointy bit at the back)

I'll have a check on our breed database to see if we've got the standard in there, if not, I can add it....
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Dean » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:25 pm

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Ok because he loves to have his picture taken, do you think his side sprigs go out to the side too much?

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Many thanks for all your info, a tremendous help.
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby sewren » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:09 pm

Spangling is so pretty!! Although I'm more of a heavy breeds kind of a person, so I'd like to see it on a Sussex of a Wyandotte! Oh well, maybe a(nother!) potential project there to tuck away for the future... ;)
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Dean » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:01 pm

Yes wouldn't that be interesting. I too like the heavier breeds, just getting a bit addicted here, who me!
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Kracka » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:26 pm

it would be hard to see side sprigs in a photo - they're quite often underneath the main comb, almost
in the second photo, he looks a bit like he's got almost a second leader, smaller point almost parallel at the back?
I've had them with multiple or split - and he's not that bad

I'll get the standard typed up, so you can have a read through
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby buzzard » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:04 pm

sewren wrote:Spangling is so pretty!! Although I'm more of a heavy breeds kind of a person, so I'd like to see it on a Sussex of a Wyandotte! Oh well, maybe a(nother!) potential project there to tuck away for the future... ;)


I am fairly sure Ive seen pictures of such wyandottes, I think they called them 'appaloosa' will try to find the pics, but they were made like a hamburg.
yet again I recollect a little known Italian breed that were much like a single combed Wyandotte type with spangling
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby buzzard » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:19 pm

Appalossa dottes
http://www.sedgwickcommon.co.uk/Spangle ... dottes.htm
you can see these are made more like a hamburg, so the leg colour will be an issue with the females, (to be accepted as 'wyandottes')

however the Robusta Maculata (the above mentioned Italian breed) don't have this problem from http://www.fiav.info/html/7varie/varie035_002.html
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but check out the males' tail feathers, (lack of spangleing this gives the clue to this breeds genetic makeup)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robusta_Maculata
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Dean » Tue Oct 22, 2013 9:02 pm

Very pretty.

This is my SSH x Aruacana. (Albert)

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu20 ... f409bb.jpg



So when x ing or deciding on a X where can one go to see a result done previously or get ideas, do you know? So you don't just end up with farmyard specials.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu20 ... age-19.jpg

This is a hen I removed from the group as I was unsure of her breed or X. (Dotti)
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby buzzard » Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:43 am

Dean wrote:..

So when x ing or deciding on a X where can one go to see a result done previously or get ideas, do you know? So you don't just end up with farmyard specials.


there's the chicken calculator,
http://kippenjungle.nl/kruising.html
it is a handy tool to get a rough idea, but it is only as good and as accurate as the information you put into it
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby Kracka » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:24 am

Dotti is a lot lighter in colouring
and here's my inexperience with Hamburgs - but what makes you think she's a cross?
I can't see her legs - are the slate grey?
is it because she's so much lighter?
I've had some come out looking that sort of 'shade' - but I found the dots on the end of the feathers weren't round - they were becoming sort of tear drop shaped (on the chest/body) instead of round (or as round as possible)

question to Buzzard - would you suspect 'Dotti' is a cross?
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Re: Silver Spangled Hamburgs

Postby buzzard » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:40 am

Kracka wrote:..
question to Buzzard - would you suspect 'Dotti' is a cross?

no, my thoughts were exactly as yours, and I too wondered what her leg colour is like

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ive stayed out of the type side of the discussion so far as I knew you Kracka would give fantastic input which you have done, however, I see it hasn't been mentioned yet, but is his tail wry? and another hen looks like she has this too,
also ideally his wings would be held a little more closely
also if this were my group, id look to breed from the hen with the full fan tail (but shes the one I suspect has a wry tail too :| ), because he and a couple of the females on the right of the first pic are tending to be a bit pinched (UK leghorn style tail) should be more like a USA type leghorn
look at the difference in tail set I am meaning below from feathersit:
UK leghorn:
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USA leghorn:
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